Episode 9  |  56 Min  |  April 01

Building prototypes and pilots using generative AI with Mark Donavon, Nestlé Purina

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Engaging topics at a glance

  • 00:11:20
    Introduction
  • 00:16:30
    How does the market mindset help in conceptualizing ideas?
  • 00:19:00
    Consumer research, design, and prototype for AI-based products
  • 00:22:40
    Data sources and models used in early product development
  • 00:25:35
    When to feed data into AI model?
  • 00:28:32
    When to take the prototype to production?
  • 00:37:35
    ML models used during prototyping
  • 00:40:46
    Generative AI in your products
  • 00:43:05
    Testing early models
  • 00:45:25
    Grounding models
  • 00:47:20
    Key insights

Join us in this episode where our guest Mark Donavon, Head of Digital Strategy and Ecosystem Development at Nestle Purina PetCare shares his real-life experiences and insights to explore what it takes to understand and build prototypes and pilots using AI.

This podcast gives insights into how a pet care organization harnesses the power of AI and IoT technologies to enhance pet welfare. The discussion centers on innovative problem-solving and the considerable potential for AI applications in the pet care domain.

The podcast opens by highlighting the importance of allowing technology to be driven by problems and needs rather than dictating solutions. The emphasis is on understanding specific user groups and comprehending the challenges faced by pet owners. Instead of beginning with existing technology and searching for problems to solve, their approach revolves around understanding the needs of end users and subsequently exploring how technology can address these issues. This user-centric approach is a cornerstone of their organization, reinforcing their commitment to developing products tailored to pet owners’ requirements.

We saw an opportunity really to intervene much earlier in helping to understand that there’s a change in the cat’s bathroom behaviour that can correlate to an increased risk of early onset kidney disease, renal disease, et cetera. So now, there’s time to engage with the vets.

– Mark Donavon

The conversation then pivots to the process of understanding user needs. The organization conducts consumer research, with variations across regional divisions. Each division maintains its own consumer insight team working closely with external agency partners to gather research data. Their digital team collaborates with these divisions, allowing them to access consumer insights that might not be uncovered through traditional research methods. This highlights the adaptability of their company and the synergistic relationship between divisions.

The podcast proceeds to discuss the practical application of AI and IoT technologies. An example is presented: a smart litter box equipped with IoT capabilities that utilizes AI to provide valuable insights. The aim is to detect early signs of kidney disease in cats, a common yet often undiagnosed ailment. The organization saw an opportunity to intervene earlier by identifying changes in a cat’s bathroom behavior that correlate with an increased risk of the disease. This innovative device provides pet owners and veterinarians with early warning indicators, effectively transforming the approach to cat health.

The speaker underscores how the smart litter box is revolutionizing pet care. Traditional practices often involve diagnosing the disease at advanced stages, making it challenging for veterinarians to do more than manage symptoms. However, this device alerts pet owners to subtle behavioral changes, enabling early intervention and potentially life-saving treatments.

I was blown away because right from something I was wearing on my wrist, it just described all of the movements I was doing with high precision. It was counting the reps and it was telling me how good my form was.

– Mark Donavon

The journey toward developing this ground-breaking device is then explored. It began with a low-fidelity prototype, using a simple mechanical device to record data when a cat entered the litter box. This provided initial insights into behavioral patterns. Subsequently, more sensors and technologies were integrated, resulting in the current iteration of the smart litter box. The speaker stresses the importance of combining various sensors to collect comprehensive data for diagnosing specific behaviors and patterns in cats, thus facilitating early detection of health issues.

The podcast also delves into AI models, which are employed to gain a deeper understanding of pet behavior. Early prototypes collected data on behavioral patterns but could not interpret the cat’s actions within the litter box. To address this limitation, machine learning models were incorporated. These models were trained to distinguish between various behaviors, such as urination, defecation, and digging. This enhanced the system’s ability to provide meaningful insights, enabling the early detection of potential health issues by interpreting the pet’s actions within the litter box.

In response, a point is made regarding the flexibility and adaptability of AI models. It’s crucial to allow machine learning models to evolve and adapt since pets may exhibit diverse behaviors. This flexibility aligns with the organization’s commitment to accumulating extensive data and generating high-quality training data to enhance their systems.

The discussion then touches upon the challenges of introducing innovative technologies within an established company. The speaker describes the initial hurdles they faced when convincing management to invest in these new technological directions. Skepticism and questions about the impact on pet food sales were common concerns. Yet, by presenting real-world data, success stories, and tangible outcomes, they were able to build a compelling case and garner support for their projects over time.

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Arvind Ravishunkar, Ankit Pandey, Chandan Jha

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Why AI hallucinates and why it matters with Ankur Taly, scientist at Google

Why AI hallucinates and why it matters with Ankur Taly, scientist at Google

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  • 00:00:20
    Introduction
  • 00:10:36
    Why do models make mistakes and why is it called AI hallucinations?
  • 00:13:31
    How does a model know which relationships are meaningful and not?
  • 00:16:12
    Things enterprise leaders should keep in mind while deploying LLMs
  • 00:18:14
    How does grounding address these AI hallucinations?
  • 00:21:53
    How much is grounding going to solve the hallucination problem?
  • 00:24:47
    Does hallucinatory capability drive innovation?

Join us in this episode featuring Ankur Taly, Staff Research Scientist, Google, as we explore the concept of grounding of LLMs!

Machines are supposed to work without mistakes, just like a calculator does math correctly. But in the world of artificial intelligence, errors, often called 'AI hallucinations,' are common. This makes us wonder about these mistakes and the computer programs behind them. For businesses that use AI in their work, especially when dealing with customers, making sure AI works without errors is very important.

Understanding how AI makes decisions and being clear about its processes is very important. Business leaders need to be able to watch and explain how AI makes decisions. This will be crucial for using AI in their companies in the future.

To fight AI hallucinations, grounding is important. Grounding means making sure AI answers are based on real facts. This involves teaching AI systems using correct and reliable information and making them give answers that can be proven. Grounding stops AI from making things up or giving wrong information.
When businesses use LLMs (large language models) in their work, they should think about some important things. First, they need to use good data to teach AI because bad data can lead to wrong or unfair results. It's also important to have rules about how AI is used in the company to avoid causing harm or misusing AI information.

Businesses also need to keep an eye on AI's results to fix mistakes or wrong information. Having people check and filter AI's work ensures that it's correct and consistent. It's also important to teach employees and users about what AI can and can't do to avoid misunderstandings or misuse.


Even though AI hallucinations can be a problem, they can also have some positives. They can make people think creatively and find new solutions to tough problems. AI's imaginative ideas can be fun, offering new types of art and media. Plus, AI hallucinations can help with learning by making people think and talk about interesting topics.

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Arvind Ravishunkar, Ankit Pandey, Chandan Jha

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Episode 2  |  39 Min  |  April 01

Develop AI strategy for your organization with Dr. Kavita Ganesan

Develop AI strategy for your organization with Dr. Kavita Ganesan

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Engaging topics at a glance

  • 00:12:19
    Key messages in the book: The business case for AI
  • 00:12:58
    What should enterprise leaders look into when implementing AI
  • 00:15: 25
    What problems can be solved with AI?
  • 00:16:13
    Importance of data in AI
  • 00:19:30
    Things to consider when going with AI in production
  • 00:20:48
    What makes a problem AI suitable?
  • 00:24:35
    Success rate of AI projects
  • 00:25:37
    What causes failure of AI projects?
  • 00:28:14
    What is preventing AI success?
  • 00:30:20
    Data integration problem

“Develop AI strategy for your organization” with Dr. Kavita Ganesan, where she discusses things to consider when implementing AI.

Many programmes, specifically AI-based programmes, start with the right intentions but often fail when they go into production. And, to explore this topic, we had an insightful discussion with our guest in this episode to understand why this happens and how it can be solved.

Most of the AI initiatives today fail to make it into production because people are not solving the right problems with AI, and there is a lack of understanding of what AI is at the leadership level.

The perception that Gen AI can solve every problem is inaccurate, and understanding this is crucial for enterprise leaders. There are many other AI techniques that can solve business problems and it's important to have a general understanding of what AI is and what types of problems it can solve. As implementing AI is not only cost intensive, but it also comes with many risks.

After the emergence of Gen AI, contrary to what many people think today, data collection is still a very integral part of AI initiatives in order to fine-tune the models for company-specific problems.

When deciding on the application of AI, it is advisable to use it for intricate issues that require numerous narrow prediction tasks. In such cases, a large amount of data points needs to be evaluated for making decisions, which could be challenging for human minds to process.

It's important for companies to have a strategic approach while implementing AI. Instead of just focusing on the latest trends (like implementing Gen AI for all the problems), companies should identify the problems that need to be solved in their business in order to have a huge business impact.

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Arvind Ravishunkar, Ankit Pandey, Chandan Jha

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